Ep. 5: Thriving in a transatlantic friendship with Krikor Mugerian

This is my first in-person interview! I travelled all the way to London to visit my BFF Krikor and record in his cavernous flat (the audio’s a smidge more echo-y than you’re used to).

Fun fact: Since being friends, Krikor and I have never lived in the same city. We have travelled around the globe to spend time with each other, most recently in London and Mexico! We dig into how non-traditional this is and how we make it work (memes, lots of memes).

Our convo runs the gamut from our 15-year(!) anniversary, to his family’s connection to astrology, to the Kardashians, to our stupendous astrological compatibility, to those meal replacement drinks Soylent and Huel 🤔 (not sure how those snuck in there LOL).

Krikor also shares about how food and cooking has connected him to his heritage and may have become his favorite meditation.

We even played our own version of the newlywed game, BFF style 👯

Tune in if you want to laugh along with us and join our virtual kiki, we’d love to have you!

Having somebody that you could rely on to have an honest and open conversation with, but then also get guidance and support and advice from is something that I can’t think of any people in my life that I can do that with, so that I think is super special. – Krikor Mugerian

Krikor and I also chat about:

  • Being first-generation American
  • How we appreciate things like our culture and family as we grow older and wiser
  • Leaning into non-traditional relationships
  • How living so far apart makes our time together more special
  • His parents’ connection to astrology (hint: they are very compatible!)
  • How you are not just your sun sign
  • Why using astrology as a point of self-reflection can be more helpful than horoscopes
  • Astrology as a mirror for self-reflection
  • How free will plays into our horoscopes – we always have a choice
  • The time the internet told us that we were the most compatible people (but that we didn’t need astrology or the internet to tell us that)
  • Kindness and caring as personal values
  • Our complementary anxieties and how they balance us out
  • Krikor’s mutable energy and how he adapts to my introverted ways when we’re together
  • Him remembering lots of things about when we first met and me remembering zero
  • How you can value kindness, but also be a little judgy with your BFF
  • The two nights we’ve stayed up and partied all night (yes, only two)
  • How Krikor supports my dream of visiting all the bookshops
  • Kindness as a superpower and how often it is perceived as weakness
  • How a second or third visit to a place can be better than the first
  • Why do we so seek routine in our lives? Maybe we should embrace every day being different
  • Cooking as meditation and showing love to those around you

Where to find Krikor:

Instagram @ksquaredm

Krikor’s Chart

Read my travel guide to London here!

The transcript of this episode can be found here. Transcripts of all episodes can be found here.

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WHAT WE MENTIONED (this may be my most dynamic list ever!)

Transcript
Lynnette:

Welcome to It's Astrological, Krikor.

Krikor:

Welcome.

Lynnette:

Thank you.

Lynnette:

I am so happy to be here in London with you.

Lynnette:

I think that's why you just welcomed me because, we're in the same place

Lynnette:

for everybody listening, Krikor is my best friend in the whole wide world.

Lynnette:

And why don't you start, because I could introduce you for hours.

Lynnette:

where in the world are we together, physically And what's

Lynnette:

your cultural background?

Krikor:

We are in London right now, which is where I live.

Krikor:

I've lived here for seven years.

Krikor:

and I'm originally from Southern California.

Krikor:

I was actually born in Rhode Island as you know, in Providence, but at a very

Krikor:

young age, moved to Southern California, mostly grew up in Huntington beach.

Krikor:

my parents immigrated to the U S so I'm, first-generation American.

Krikor:

and my cultural background is Armenian.

Krikor:

and growing up, I grew up in a very, I guess, Armenian household

Krikor:

until I started intermingling with others outside my family.

Lynnette:

What did you like most about growing up in California?

Krikor:

I think what I liked most at the time, I didn't

Krikor:

quite realize it was the sun.

Krikor:

No, took that for granted.

Krikor:

No, I mean, I think it was a very, um, comfortable place, to grow up.

Krikor:

I think connected to my kind of cultural roots.

Krikor:

There's a large Armenian community in Southern California.

Krikor:

And so

Lynnette:

You mean beyond the kardashians

Krikor:

beyond the Kardashians, well, the kardashians are there

Krikor:

probably because the same reason.

Krikor:

so a lot of Armenians moving to the U S like LA is one of the main

Krikor:

destinations, and the surrounding area.

Krikor:

So that was nice to be able to grow up in that sort of environment, to be

Krikor:

able to embrace and learn about, and cultivate that cultural side of my

Krikor:

Armenian-ness, because I think while at the time, I didn't quite realize it.

Krikor:

I very much appreciate it now.

Lynnette:

That's what happens as you get older, I feel like in general,

Lynnette:

whether it's like where you came from or where you grew up or something your

Lynnette:

parents did or anything like that.

Krikor:

Yeah.

Krikor:

I think it's also, I do have this connection to, like, I do like

Krikor:

being close to the coast like I've grown up all my life near there.

Krikor:

And then like, I do sometimes feel like when I'm not near

Krikor:

a coast, it feels strange.

Krikor:

So yeah, I do like that.

Lynnette:

You're not going to move to Colorado with me.

Krikor:

It could be possible one day.

Krikor:

I never thought about it from a coastal perspective, but,

Lynnette:

well, speaking of you not moving to Denver, I would say one of

Lynnette:

the hallmarks of our friendship is that we have never lived in the same city.

Lynnette:

And for me, I am somebody who has always wanted to be traditional

Lynnette:

in every aspect of my life.

Lynnette:

And pretty much every aspect of my life is not traditional.

Lynnette:

And so in terms of appreciating things later, that's something

Lynnette:

I'm starting to embrace.

Lynnette:

But I think for anybody who meets us, there's a bit of like, oh wow,

Lynnette:

you guys have never lived in the same city and you're best friends.

Lynnette:

And like, you live across an ocean now.

Lynnette:

And like, how does that all work?

Lynnette:

So how do you feel about us having this nontraditional friendship?

Krikor:

I know, I guess you always assume those sorts of things, but

Krikor:

I feel like we've made it work when one, like we communicate quite a lot.

Krikor:

I mean, ebbs and flows sometimes based on usually how busy I am,

Krikor:

with my social calendar or work.

Krikor:

But, at the same time we do make the opportunities to see each other.

Krikor:

And perhaps like those times where we're together, you create kind of situations

Krikor:

that are more impactful, maybe then on a day to day basis when you're kind

Krikor:

of crossing paths in like normal life.

Krikor:

but I guess with technology as well, we kind of use it in ways

Krikor:

that help us in our friendship.

Krikor:

And sometimes we forget that like the relationship is

Krikor:

what you make of it, right?

Krikor:

So whether you're in the same place or not, and you can use those

Krikor:

tools to communicate or use those tools to stay close to each other.

Krikor:

So I think we've done a fairly decent job of that

Lynnette:

fairly decent?

Lynnette:

We're the best.

Krikor:

I know!.

Lynnette:

I agree.

Lynnette:

I think memes are the language of our generation.

Lynnette:

They work really well for us, but I like what you said about I guess making the

Lynnette:

most of the time that we are together.

Lynnette:

Because I feel like if we lived in the same place, in some

Lynnette:

ways, it almost like dilutes the relationship that we would have.

Lynnette:

And we'll never know because we can't live two parallel lives, but we enjoyed

Lynnette:

so much just last night, sitting on couch having a glass of wine, having

Lynnette:

great conversation, and then watching TV.

Lynnette:

that's something that, with someone that you live in the

Lynnette:

same city with you enjoy it.

Lynnette:

But for me, at least I just feel like it's so much more, there's

Lynnette:

like magic in the mundane, right?

Lynnette:

that's a really perfect example of just cherishing it and being really

Lynnette:

present and just like, wow, this is the best TV show I've ever seen because

Lynnette:

I'm watching it with my best friend.

Krikor:

Yeah.

Krikor:

I think that's what I mean is sometimes you don't cherish those

Krikor:

things so much when you're just together all the time where you may

Krikor:

not do those things in the same ways.

Krikor:

Yeah.

Lynnette:

Okay.

Lynnette:

since It's Astrological, Krikor, do you know your sun moon and rising sign?

Krikor:

Yes, so I'm

Lynnette:

And what are they?

Krikor:

Gemini and Libra Libra.

Lynnette:

Do you resonate with any one or all three of those?

Krikor:

Yeah.

Krikor:

I mean, I can see components of the duality, but also like the balance

Krikor:

both with balance is also sort of

Lynnette:

yeah, you can't balance if you don't have two things.

Krikor:

So yeah, I do see kind of, I think either of those on their own,

Krikor:

probably feel incomplete, but as you start learning about the interplay and

Krikor:

how they kind of impact each other, that that's where you start seeing

Krikor:

some of the interesting things happen.

Lynnette:

What's your relationship with astrology?

Lynnette:

how did you learn about it?

Lynnette:

When did you realize you were a Gemini.

Krikor:

Yeah, I actually like, learned about it at a very young

Krikor:

age, but at a very cursory level.

Krikor:

And actually, I remember my, dad saying when they're we're going to,

Krikor:

it was when you met my mom initially, he checked their, their charts to see

Krikor:

like how compatible they would be.

Krikor:

And apparently they were like super compatible

Lynnette:

of course.

Krikor:

Yeah.

Krikor:

Which gave him a lot more confidence, I guess.

Krikor:

yeah, but it wasn't until recently, particularly with your kind of guidance

Krikor:

and input and reflection on, on stuff that I've gotten more interested in

Krikor:

the details of it or understood kind of like even the fact that you have sun,

Krikor:

moon rising, all that kind of stuff.

Lynnette:

You're not just a Gemini.

Krikor:

Yeah.

Krikor:

You're not just a Gemini, But along the way, I was always

Krikor:

kind of fascinated by it.

Krikor:

Not on, like, the horoscope side of stuff, but just like generally

Krikor:

the, the idea every now and then you kind of came in and came out.

Krikor:

But yeah,

Lynnette:

more like, who am I not what's going to happen to me today?

Krikor:

Yeah, yeah, exactly..

Lynnette:

I think that's my favorite use of astrology.

Lynnette:

I think it just can be so validating, especially once you start to expand.

Lynnette:

Right.

Lynnette:

So great.

Lynnette:

I'm not one slice of 12 categories that everyone fits into, but now I'm

Lynnette:

adding another layer of what's my rising sign and what's my moon sign.

Lynnette:

And how did those all talk to each other?

Lynnette:

And then what's my Venus and my Mars.

Lynnette:

And like, you can go on and on and on.

Lynnette:

And I think in some ways like different modalities speak to people and obviously

Lynnette:

astrology speaks to me, but in some ways, just having a framework that

Lynnette:

helps you actually see how complex you are, can be very helpful in terms of

Lynnette:

being like, oh, no wonder, I don't like doing this, or I feel uncomfortable

Lynnette:

doing that or I love doing that.

Lynnette:

if you don't have a framework to put it in I feel like sometimes you feel

Lynnette:

like you're doing something wrong or like you're not fitting in or whatever.

Lynnette:

And what I love about astrology is it helps to validate that you are exactly

Lynnette:

the way that you were supposed to be

Krikor:

Yeah.

Krikor:

I mean, I think it is, it provides like a point of reflection, right?

Krikor:

So you have a perspective of who you are and then use that as a guide to say

Krikor:

like, okay, actually I see where this is.

Krikor:

Or sometimes.

Krikor:

It's a reflection of like, okay, let me think about why I am the way I

Krikor:

am or the sorts of things that I do.

Krikor:

And so I do think from that perspective, there's a lot of value in placing some

Krikor:

sort of mirror right in front of yourself.

Krikor:

It's kind of a mirror that you can look at and, start dissecting or thinking about.

Lynnette:

Yeah, it's so funny because the last few I've only done four

Lynnette:

episodes of this podcast, but in every single one, we've talked about

Lynnette:

how astrology asks you questions.

Lynnette:

Like astrology, doesn't give you answers.

Lynnette:

It gives you questions to ask yourself or to reflect on.

Lynnette:

so as I'm just starting this podcast and I'm talking to different people, I'm

Lynnette:

seeing similar themes come up every time.

Lynnette:

Which is validating for me as an astrologer.

Lynnette:

So is there anything about astrology that gives you pause

Lynnette:

or that makes you skeptical?

Krikor:

No, like I do think, like we touched on it earlier.

Krikor:

It's like the whole idea of the horoscope and like destiny and future facing stuff

Krikor:

is sometimes gives me pause because I'm always like, well, and generally

Krikor:

in my life, I feel like you kind of are given choices or decisions to like, make

Krikor:

things happen or not make things happen.

Krikor:

And so that part of it, I think sometimes I get like, when people

Krikor:

get really deep into that side of it, it gets a bit tough for me.

Lynnette:

Astrology is not a fortune telling device for the people at home.

Lynnette:

We are not fortune tellers.

Krikor:

Yeah, I think there's a lot of connection in association to

Krikor:

that, which makes it understandably harder to validate, right?

Krikor:

Like you read or see something and then expect something.

Krikor:

And actually what your expectation is, is probably still a reflection

Krikor:

of what you're wanting to happen or maybe hoping would happen.

Krikor:

And so you create these expectations.

Krikor:

Whereas, I think the reflection part of it is a bit more of a helpful helpful, tool.

Lynnette:

and the choices we all have free will.

Lynnette:

And even in astrology, we talk about the north node and the south node being what

Lynnette:

you're learning in this lifetime and what you're releasing in this lifetime.

Lynnette:

But no matter what the transit, no matter what the placement, Could you be having

Lynnette:

the best Venus, Jupiter transit of your life, which is like love and good luck and

Lynnette:

like, oh, you're going to meet the person who you're meant to be with for the, yes.

Lynnette:

Like it's very possible.

Lynnette:

That would happen when those two planets are transiting somewhere in your chart.

Lynnette:

But is that the only day that's going to happen?

Lynnette:

No.

Lynnette:

is that the only way that you're going to meet the love of your life also?

Lynnette:

No, but I think what astrology gives you is kind of a heads up.

Lynnette:

You're like, oh, this energy might be going on.

Lynnette:

I might need to like, keep my peepers open and like, see if

Lynnette:

there's anyone I fancy out there.

Lynnette:

See I'm British now.

Lynnette:

Um, But it just gives you the information to be able to make

Lynnette:

a decision, to make a choice, to like maybe shift your perspective.

Lynnette:

But it's not about having expectations.

Lynnette:

It's not about, you know, writing down the transits every day and be like, I'm going

Lynnette:

to meet the love of my life this day.

Lynnette:

I'm going to lose my job this day.

Lynnette:

I'm going to like fall over on my bike this day.

Krikor:

Yeah.

Krikor:

Maybe if you don't want to fall in love, you don't look for people

Krikor:

that you make it a point not to you just close your eyes, walk around.

Krikor:

It is

Lynnette:

just stay home, cover your head with a blanket.

Lynnette:

That way even the delivery person can't see you.

Lynnette:

Well, astrologically speaking, my big Renaissance, if you will, into astrology

Lynnette:

and metaphysics and all the stuff that I'm into now was when I was in grad school.

Lynnette:

That was also a very sliding doors moment because when I moved back

Lynnette:

to California, you moved to London and I was like, okay, well, bye.

Lynnette:

But for me, that time was so powerful because I, at the time, I didn't

Lynnette:

know it, but I was on my Uranus line.

Lynnette:

And I was learning about locational astrology and all that stuff.

Lynnette:

but I remember I went to a conference.

Lynnette:

I was driving to LA and I was talking to you And for some reason you looked

Lynnette:

up our astrological compatibility.

Lynnette:

I don't know even how that happened or why.

Lynnette:

And it was, it was like the most absurd description, but it was like

Lynnette:

stupendous, like, the best possible match!

Lynnette:

Do you remember what it said?

Krikor:

I don't remember what it said, but it was something to that nature

Lynnette:

and I think again, we didn't need astrology to tell us that we knew

Lynnette:

that we were stupendous best friends, but the, well, the validation is always nice.

Lynnette:

but we both have so much air in our charts.

Lynnette:

Like I have a lot of Aquarius, and Libra, you have a lot of Libra and Gemini, so

Lynnette:

we kind of round out the whole air trio.

Lynnette:

I think that's a big part of it.

Lynnette:

but I guess in your opinion, not astrologically speaking, but why do you

Lynnette:

think that we compliment each other?

Lynnette:

Or why do you think that we're able to make this friendship so great?

Krikor:

I mean, I think there's probably, two sides of it.

Krikor:

like, I think we have a lot of stuff that's actually quite similar

Krikor:

in our perspectives and outlook.

Krikor:

And then there's also stuff where we're like complimentary that balances

Krikor:

each other out and it's probably the combination of those two, because if

Krikor:

you're too much alike on everything, you kind of, can't have the opportunity to

Krikor:

maybe counterbalance the other person with like different perspectives in some areas.

Krikor:

But I think we're like very nice people, but that sounds like a weird thing to say,

Lynnette:

simpatico,

Krikor:

no, we're very like caring people and like generally

Krikor:

wish the best upon people.

Krikor:

So at that part of it, I think we have a life perspective around being kind, which

Krikor:

I think is, is a part of why it works.

Krikor:

And then the flip side is you are more of like a introvert.

Krikor:

I tend to be more of like an extrovert and you have Anxieties about certain things.

Krikor:

And I have anxieties about different things.

Krikor:

And those are the places that actually, sometimes we're like,

Krikor:

well, let's think about it.

Krikor:

Maybe it's not so bad or, oh,

Lynnette:

I love that our anxieties are where we're crossing over.

Krikor:

No, but that's the places where we maybe like, if we have the same anxieties,

Krikor:

like all what we would do is feed into.

Lynnette:

We'd be a mess!

Krikor:

Yeah.

Krikor:

We'd be a mess feeding into each other.

Krikor:

So

Lynnette:

we'd be like, 'you're right, you should be so anxious!'

Krikor:

Yeah.

Krikor:

So I think that's what actually, it's the combination of all those

Krikor:

things that I think make it work.

Lynnette:

I liked that.

Lynnette:

And to your point about being nice kind, caring, whatever.

Lynnette:

Now I sound like I'm like, oh, we're so nice, kind, and caring, but that's not

Krikor:

our perspective on life.

Krikor:

I'm not necessarily, we might not be kind and nice people.

Krikor:

No,

Lynnette:

but it's important to us.

Lynnette:

I would say those are values.

Lynnette:

Maybe that niceness like nice is such a.

Krikor:

Yeah, that's right, like they're values we have in life, and

Lynnette:

kindness, compassion, caring.

Lynnette:

when I think of how we compliment each other, I think you are

Lynnette:

the most thoughtful person.

Lynnette:

I know at least in my life.

Lynnette:

And you're just always thinking, like, even if we don't talk because

Lynnette:

you're busy or like, whatever, I know.

Lynnette:

You're not always thinking about me, but like, you're not like, forget, like,

Lynnette:

if I needed you, you would be there.

Lynnette:

And the gifts that you give me, you're always so thoughtful.

Lynnette:

you're always listening to what I'm saying and you know, all of that stuff.

Lynnette:

And then I think on the flip side, I am your biggest cheerleader.

Lynnette:

you could literally do anything.

Lynnette:

I'd be like, you're so good.

Lynnette:

Great job.

Krikor:

Even when I know I'm not that driving the other day was not like

Krikor:

and then you were like, great job!,

Lynnette:

because it's true.

Lynnette:

See, this is a fundamental belief.

Lynnette:

You're the best.

Krikor:

The beeping of the car suggested otherwise.

Lynnette:

that was not your fault!

Lynnette:

Okay.

Lynnette:

Everyone listening we took a little road trip, which meant driving on the

Lynnette:

left-hand side of the road and being in the well then our passenger side.

Lynnette:

But driving from that side, he did a great job and he was the best.

Lynnette:

But I think even there, if you narrow down the things that we have in common, we

Lynnette:

just support each other in different ways.

Lynnette:

And my enthusiasm for you is very high in all the ways.

Krikor:

No, that's a good, good way of putting it.

Krikor:

I like the values piece because I agree that those things are not necessarily,

Krikor:

we don't always deliver on it.

Krikor:

No, I don't think any single person can, but as a value, like I think

Krikor:

we placed a lot of importance on those things and yeah, I think being

Krikor:

the other person's cheerleader and valuing them and supporting them is a

Krikor:

hugely important part of a friendship.

Krikor:

Otherwise it becomes really one-sided.

Krikor:

Right.

Krikor:

So I appreciate that.

Lynnette:

I appreciate your thoughtfulness You are correct.

Lynnette:

I am just slightly more introverted just, like, the teensiest bit, and I

Lynnette:

almost feel like that's a situation where you, like, because you have all

Lynnette:

of this Gemini energy, and Sagittarius energy, actually, you are so mutable.

Lynnette:

Like you, I feel like adapt to the situations around

Lynnette:

you the people around you.

Lynnette:

I mean, I feel like the Gemini piece that almost stimulates you because

Lynnette:

it's like something new and you've, you're getting a new experience and

Lynnette:

like all of this stuff, but I feel like you adapt to me in that sense, because

Lynnette:

like we talked about at the beginning, our time together is always limited.

Lynnette:

so we're trying to make the most of it, which is great.

Lynnette:

And that's part of the reason why I was so happy to do this trip because

Lynnette:

we saw each other in February, but we were with other people and it was

Lynnette:

amazing, but I love my one-on-one time with you because I'm so introverted.

Lynnette:

And I'm a, one-to-one friendship kind of person.

Lynnette:

And so to be able to spend just five days straight with you, like

Lynnette:

24 hours a day, all day, every day makes me the happiest person.

Lynnette:

I don't know what I was going to say.

Lynnette:

It just makes me really happy.

Lynnette:

but I feel like you adapt to me because I don't want to go out

Lynnette:

dancing until three in the morning.

Lynnette:

I mean, we have done that sometimes, but like it's not my,

Lynnette:

the circumstances have to be.

Lynnette:

Perfect.

Krikor:

The stars have to align.

Lynnette:

The stars have to align!

Lynnette:

In order for me to like leave the house.

Lynnette:

No, but like that's being dramatic.

Lynnette:

Anyway, I appreciate that.

Lynnette:

The point is of this very long speech is that I appreciate it.

Krikor:

The grocery store doesn't count.

Lynnette:

that's my second favorite place other than home!

Lynnette:

i love a grocery store.

Lynnette:

I love going to new grocery stores, I love going to grocery stores

Lynnette:

in new countries and you have taken me to the grocery store.

Lynnette:

That's a good best friend, like you're adapting to me.

Lynnette:

But like you said last night, even in some ways that's out of your

Lynnette:

comfort zone because you are such a social person, you do have such a big

Lynnette:

group of friends and you love that.

Lynnette:

But that's just another way that we kind of balance each other out.

Krikor:

Yeah.

Krikor:

And I do think like I do enjoy the time home, the time that's like one-on-one,

Krikor:

but my go-to nature isn't that?

Krikor:

So sometimes I like deprive myself of it.

Krikor:

Not intentionally, but because my knee jerk reaction is otherwise.

Krikor:

But to your point, like that offers me the time to like, do that sort of stuff.

Krikor:

where actually, otherwise I might not.

Krikor:

So to your point, I think that that yin and the yang is there, So, and maybe I

Krikor:

push you sometimes in the other way in situations where you're like, no, I don't

Krikor:

know if I want, I don't want to do that.

Krikor:

Go or I'll do it.

Lynnette:

You're like, just go, have fun, Adapt.

Lynnette:

Don't be fixed.

Krikor:

What's the worst that could happen.

Lynnette:

Ugh...I'll tell you.

Lynnette:

I'll give you a list of 15 things.

Lynnette:

But even this trip was spontaneous.

Lynnette:

I mean, I just booked it three weeks ago and that's very out of my character.

Lynnette:

This eclipse has made me very spontaneous.

Lynnette:

Like I went to a random concert.

Lynnette:

I came here.

Lynnette:

I that's enough.

Krikor:

That's enough, that's more than enough.

Krikor:

Stop before you..

Lynnette:

That's a big deal.

Lynnette:

okay.

Lynnette:

Should we do some newlywed style game questions?

Krikor:

Yes.

Krikor:

I've never done this before.

Krikor:

I'm almost nervous.

Lynnette:

Me too.

Lynnette:

We'll see how it goes.

Lynnette:

Okay.

Lynnette:

Are you ready?

Lynnette:

I'm going to ask the question and then we'll both write our answers down and

Lynnette:

then we'll read them to each other.

Lynnette:

Okay.

Lynnette:

What was your first impression of your friend?

Lynnette:

Are you done?

Krikor:

Yeah.

Lynnette:

Okay.

Lynnette:

I'll read mine first because you know what it's going to be.

Lynnette:

I thought he was nice enough, but was asking dumb questions at work.

Lynnette:

It was not his fault because he was, we were both new.

Lynnette:

I mean, we started within a month of each other at the job, right.

Krikor:

Didn't we, on the same day.

Krikor:

No, or no, we did the, we started within a month.

Krikor:

But at that time the trainings were,

Lynnette:

This is boring, nobody cares about our training.

Krikor:

No, we did.

Krikor:

That's where we met though.

Krikor:

Like the, we met at work.

Krikor:

We met at like the first week where everybody who's just started, gets

Krikor:

together and they do the orientation.

Lynnette:

I don't remember that.

Krikor:

Yeah.

Lynnette:

I remember meeting Alexa Baltadano

Krikor:

she was in that same group.

Lynnette:

I know, I don't remember you there.

Krikor:

That's why cuz uh I think we might've started a couple of weeks

Krikor:

apart, but they like grouped the people who started on similar days.

Krikor:

Yeah.

Lynnette:

Well, apologies.

Lynnette:

That was clearly not my first impression of you.

Krikor:

Um, so I was forgetful, apparently it was my, your first impression.

Lynnette:

I think it was about like FedExing, a package or something.

Lynnette:

And you asked me to send it like,

Krikor:

I know,

Lynnette:

after I could send it, like, I was like, sir, this does not make sense.

Lynnette:

Why are you asking me this?

Lynnette:

But it wasn't your fault your boss asked you to do it,

Krikor:

but you thrust that upon me

Lynnette:

15 years later, because this is our fifteen-year anniversary,

Lynnette:

that is how I remember you.

Lynnette:

But then we became best friends.

Lynnette:

No,

Krikor:

I thought you were friendly and professional

Lynnette:

Well, isn't that perfect.

Krikor:

And didn't want to send my FedEx package I didn't write that down..

Krikor:

Now I do recall that.

Lynnette:

I thought you were friendly and professional.

Lynnette:

Okay.

Lynnette:

Thank you, Krikor.

Lynnette:

Again, not your fault to ask a dumb question.

Lynnette:

Okay.

Lynnette:

Do you remember the moment when you were like, ah, this is a good friend.

Lynnette:

This is somebody I want to talk to outside of work.

Krikor:

I think it was when we went to someone's going away party after work.

Krikor:

Was it Tiffany?

Krikor:

Who left?

Lynnette:

I don't remember any of this!

Krikor:

Yeah, and it was like, I think maybe the first time we had a very

Krikor:

professional experience up until that, and that was the first time we hung

Krikor:

out and it was like, we were dancing.

Krikor:

And then I think we started, like, I was gonna say gossip, talk and talking shit.

Krikor:

We were just commenting about other people there.

Krikor:

We were observing the environment around us.

Krikor:

Were observing the environment around us.

Krikor:

And I was like, oh,

Lynnette:

Where was this party?

Krikor:

I remember, I can't remember the name of the place, but it was the one

Krikor:

where you just go like in west LA, just down the street, right across from like my

Krikor:

pet, naturally, there was this bar that we would always go to, like when people were

Krikor:

having like a last drinks or something.

Lynnette:

I remember this much of this I'm so lucky.

Lynnette:

One of us has to remember.

Lynnette:

Okay, well, I'm sure this was shortly thereafter.

Lynnette:

I'm certain of it.

Lynnette:

I remember giggling a lot at work because we have the same sense of humor, which

Lynnette:

is like my number one requirement in any friend is they have to make me laugh, but

Lynnette:

we went on our first dinner date right before I left to move back here to London.

Lynnette:

but we were I feel like we were silent for most of the dinner because the

Lynnette:

table, like literally four inches away from us was on a first date

Krikor:

At Ugo.

Lynnette:

At Ugo on Cardiff street.

Krikor:

Yes.

Lynnette:

and I feel like that was obviously the first thing I

Lynnette:

remember, but we had developed our own telepathic language.

Lynnette:

Like we were not saying anything.

Lynnette:

We were just like making like eyes at each other and being like,

Lynnette:

oh, oh, oh, like that was when I knew we understood each other.

Krikor:

I think this was in and around the same time, because I

Krikor:

remember this going away party.

Krikor:

You were like leaving in a couple of weeks as well.

Krikor:

So it could have been all in and around the same time.

Krikor:

I thought you were actually going to say, now that I think back at it, this

Krikor:

must have also been, it was before you left was when we were on a phone call

Krikor:

with somebody and couldn't stop laughing.

Krikor:

So we had to hang up and pretend like the lost connection on the phone.

Lynnette:

I thought that was after I left.

Krikor:

We were in the same room.

Lynnette:

I believe that.

Krikor:

Yeah, we were, it was like late night.

Krikor:

We were in the same office and then we were just like,

Lynnette:

yeah, I think it's going back to like, what makes a good friend for

Lynnette:

me is like, if I pee my pants, if I like stop breathing, if I like have to hang up

Lynnette:

on somebody because I can't speak, these are all good signs of like solid friend.

Lynnette:

the other thing is, and we both touched on this, just a little bit.

Lynnette:

We are both very nice people who like to observe things

Lynnette:

around us and people around us.

Lynnette:

We're a little judgy, but I feel like that's another safe space.

Lynnette:

Like we have a container for us to be able to just hash things

Lynnette:

out or like what happened or like, why did this person say that

Krikor:

Reflect on our observation

Lynnette:

Yes, they're simply observations of the people around us and how they

Lynnette:

engage with the world around them.

Lynnette:

That's all.

Krikor:

Yeah, I agree.

Krikor:

that's why I said maybe at the beginning, the nice part is more

Krikor:

of a value system aspirational.

Krikor:

And like, sometimes you falter, but we don't ever do it in a,

Lynnette:

but we are also kind people.

Lynnette:

So we're like, okay.

Lynnette:

At the end of the day,

Krikor:

But inevitably it happens, right?

Krikor:

Like you're sitting somewhere and you observed something and

Krikor:

you're like, oh, this awkward date happening next to us for the first

Krikor:

time, it was not going to work out.

Krikor:

Is it?

Lynnette:

We're just anthropologists.

Lynnette:

That's all.

Lynnette:

Okay.

Lynnette:

Let's do.

Lynnette:

Oh, this is a good one.

Lynnette:

What is your favorite memory of traveling together?

Lynnette:

I said it was a good one, but there's so many to choose from.

Krikor:

Well, I went with the first one that popped up in my head.

Lynnette:

I just wrote keywords this time.

Krikor:

Okay.

Lynnette:

Oh, I go first.

Lynnette:

oh no.

Lynnette:

Okay.

Lynnette:

Well I'm, I'm analyzing the question, we have not traveled together very often.

Lynnette:

We just meet up in places.

Krikor:

Yeah, but I assumed that it meant

Lynnette:

Okay, great, Hi, Virgo.

Krikor:

We're covered.

Lynnette:

I'm glad.

Lynnette:

So to your point, the first one that popped into my head was Stockholm.

Krikor:

Okay.

Krikor:

Mine is also in Stockholm.

Lynnette:

Yeah.

Lynnette:

Then it must be the right one.

Lynnette:

We pick the right answer.

Lynnette:

So Stockholm, we went for my graduation with my boyfriend.

Lynnette:

Well, it was my gift from him and it was lovely.

Lynnette:

And the three of us travel really well together.

Lynnette:

So that's always amazing.

Lynnette:

Actually.

Lynnette:

I think most of the time that we've traveled, he's been with us.

Lynnette:

But it was just, it was so magical because I still sometimes even watch

Lynnette:

that video of you coming up from the train and I'm like, Krikor!

Lynnette:

And you're like, oh hi!

Lynnette:

and like, I'm so happy.

Lynnette:

We kept I captured that because like, I just get so excited to see you.

Lynnette:

And like, it's like, we're we're uniting.

Lynnette:

So you were there like two or three nights.

Lynnette:

I don't remember

Krikor:

three nights I think, yeah.

Lynnette:

and I had borrowed a, an item from the Airbnb that was out.

Lynnette:

I didn't dig through any closets or anything.

Lynnette:

It was a beautiful, well, how would you describe it?

Lynnette:

Cause I feel like how I'm going to describe it it's going to sound weird.

Krikor:

I think it wasn't fur, but it was like a.

Krikor:

Fur- type, like move.

Krikor:

There was a lot of movement in this jacket.

Lynnette:

It was something I would never wear, like, well now

Lynnette:

I'm constantly looking for it,

Krikor:

Yeah, I feel like it was Something like Abba would wear,

Lynnette:

Yes, very, like 70s

Krikor:

was it like ostrich feather?

Krikor:

Maybe it was ostrich feather.

Lynnette:

I don't think it was real.

Krikor:

Okay, but it moved like it was ostrich feather.

Krikor:

It wasn't like, it wasn't like chicken feathers

Lynnette:

No, you've been watching some drag race.

Krikor:

yeah.

Lynnette:

But, anyway, it's purple.

Lynnette:

It was big.

Lynnette:

It was fluffy.

Lynnette:

It was also summer.

Lynnette:

So it was fine most of the time.

Lynnette:

But when we were at a bar dancing, this girl like wiggled up to me and

Lynnette:

she was like, oh, I love your jacket.

Lynnette:

And we're just like dancing.

Lynnette:

and she was like, But are you so hot?

Lynnette:

it's summer!

Lynnette:

Like I can't, not wear this..

Krikor:

Okay.

Krikor:

Once you have that on you like transformed,

Lynnette:

Well, we went to the ice bar, it was perfect for the ice bar.

Krikor:

It was, true.

Lynnette:

It was maybe the club, but that it was not,

Krikor:

it was a club.

Krikor:

And then we partied, that was one night where we partied until

Krikor:

like 3:00 AM in the morning.

Lynnette:

We've done that twice..

Krikor:

Yes.

Krikor:

Until the sun came up, literally

Lynnette:

well it never went down down and

Krikor:

it kind of didn't go down.

Krikor:

But

Lynnette:

that's my favorite memory.

Krikor:

Well, it's the same one I was going to,

Lynnette:

did you have anything to add?

Krikor:

Well, I think it was, I liked it because it was also like,

Krikor:

well, the time together was fun, but also like you pushing out.

Lynnette:

I can be fun!

Krikor:

No, no.

Krikor:

Like the idea of you like borrowing this jacket was giving you anxiety.

Krikor:

But I think like we may have egged you on, on that, and

Krikor:

then you kind of went with it.

Lynnette:

I am certain of it

Krikor:

really, really

Lynnette:

Give me a couple glasses of wine and egging on you look so great.

Lynnette:

Yeah.

Krikor:

Yeah.

Krikor:

It was yeah, amazing.

Krikor:

It turned out to be a fun night.

Krikor:

I feel like we also ate something at the end of that night and I

Krikor:

don't remember what it was once we left that bar, what does it mean?

Lynnette:

Yeah, we got, like, ice cream.

Krikor:

Oh, okay.

Krikor:

Yeah.

Lynnette:

And chips probably.

Krikor:

Yeah, it was, but like so many people around and it was like

Krikor:

three, 4:00 AM in the morning.

Krikor:

It felt like

Lynnette:

That's crazy.

Lynnette:

Speaking of anxiety while staying up all night, the time I literally,

Lynnette:

the one time in my whole life, I've literally stayed up all night in LA

Lynnette:

and we went to, what was that place called?

Lynnette:

Like the diner place

Krikor:

no, no.

Krikor:

It was, um, Astro burger?.

Lynnette:

yeah, Astro burger.

Lynnette:

That sounds right.

Lynnette:

And we had all been drinking all night.

Lynnette:

I made a decision.

Lynnette:

I was like, either I'm going to, because I had a flight the next

Lynnette:

morning, I was like, either, I'm going to go back to the hotel, go to

Lynnette:

sleep at 11 o'clock or I'm doing this.

Lynnette:

I am not going to bed.

Lynnette:

I'm just going straight to my hotel, getting my suitcase and getting

Lynnette:

on my flight, guess what happened?

Lynnette:

But you're talking about the anxieties about the coat and that

Lynnette:

just reminded me of when we were all Astro burger or wherever it was.

Lynnette:

And I got a veggie dog and I, I don't know.

Lynnette:

So time, is this really?

Lynnette:

Do you think this has meat in it?

Lynnette:

Raise your hand.

Lynnette:

If you think this is actually a veggie burger, raise your hand.

Lynnette:

If this is actually a meat and then finally Dean, at one

Lynnette:

point, it was like, it's meat!

Krikor:

Like you just eating the meat.

Krikor:

What do you want us to tell you?

Lynnette:

But I appreciate you easing my anxieties while traveling.

Lynnette:

Let's end on a nice one because then I have to give you my

Lynnette:

not so rapid fire questions.

Lynnette:

What is your favorite thing about your friend?

Krikor:

Okay.

Krikor:

So I said, I mean, I guess it's two things, but I said, it's the combination

Krikor:

of the accepting and supportive.

Krikor:

And I think that's something that I love so much about you is that you have,

Krikor:

despite the fact that we were talking about this or that you have no judgment,

Krikor:

but also like the supportive side of it, the combination of it makes it such

Krikor:

a special thing, because I can share anything with you, but then you can

Krikor:

also be supportive through that process.

Krikor:

So, you know, having somebody that you could rely on to have, an honest and

Krikor:

open conversation with, but then also get guidance and support and advice from

Krikor:

is something that I can't think of any people in my life that I can do that with,

Krikor:

so that's that I think is super special.

Lynnette:

Well, no, I'm going to cry.

Lynnette:

Okay.

Lynnette:

Thank you, Krikor.

Lynnette:

Well, I also appreciate that you are nonjudgmental and supportive of me.

Lynnette:

and what I wrote down is your thoughtfulness, your kindness,

Lynnette:

and that you make me laugh.

Lynnette:

And I know I said that you have to be able to make me laugh was first on my list,

Lynnette:

of friendship, but your thoughtfulness and kindness have just shone through

Lynnette:

so bright, that that's like, those are the first things that I think of when

Lynnette:

I think about you and you have traveled across the world just to come meet me

Lynnette:

in all these places, just because I'm like in your neighborhood of Europe.

Lynnette:

And you're just, I didn't put on here.

Lynnette:

Like you're so easy going.

Lynnette:

And I think that goes back to your Gemini adaptability and all of that stuff.

Lynnette:

But I think I'm pretty relaxed, but I like things to go my way probably.

Lynnette:

More than you.

Lynnette:

but you always just do whatever I want to do.

Lynnette:

Or you like take me to the places I want to go.

Lynnette:

Or you traipse across London to go to like three different bookshops and

Lynnette:

you never you're, you're speaking of supported, like you're supportive.

Lynnette:

You're like, okay, like live your dream, go to astrology shop!

Lynnette:

And then yesterday I was like, oh, these are too many books.

Lynnette:

And you were like, okay, I'm going to help you figure out which ones you don't need.

Lynnette:

And then I couldn't, you were like, oh, you need all of them!

Krikor:

It was a process of elimination of none.

Lynnette:

There was no elimination.

Lynnette:

There was no need.

Lynnette:

But that's the way that you support me is just letting me be myself and like letting

Lynnette:

me do the things that I want to do.

Lynnette:

And I dunno.

Lynnette:

You're just, that's why you're the best friend.

Krikor:

Thank you.

Lynnette:

Thank you.

Krikor:

That is so kind.

Lynnette:

I have one gentle teardrop just coming out of the corner of my eye.

Lynnette:

I'm very seriously.

Lynnette:

Not a dramatic one.

Lynnette:

Okay, Krikor, on every show I started doing rapid fire questions,

Lynnette:

but I'm not a rapid fire person.

Lynnette:

I am a slow cooker, not an instant pot.

Lynnette:

So this is the not so rapid fire question section.

Lynnette:

You can rapid fire or whatever it's up to do you consider yourself to

Lynnette:

be more introverted or extroverted?

Lynnette:

We already get this one

Krikor:

Yeah, more extroverted.

Lynnette:

Great.

Lynnette:

What is your superpower?

Krikor:

Kindness.

Krikor:

Yeah, I think I, I it's a superpower, but a superpower is, I think

Krikor:

people sometimes struggle with.

Krikor:

You have to harness it in the right ways.

Krikor:

And sometimes it's like a strength and sometimes I feel

Krikor:

like it could be a hindrance.

Krikor:

and so, I think kindness and sometimes I think kindness like is

Krikor:

perceived to be weakness in quotation.

Krikor:

Yeah.

Krikor:

Um, or how it manifests sometimes feels like it's effortless, but I

Krikor:

think it actually takes a lot of thoughtfulness and consideration, but

Krikor:

again, sometimes to your detriment.

Krikor:

So that's what I mean in that the superpower, I think sometimes

Krikor:

people feel like has to be something that is only like positive, but

Krikor:

actually superheroes struggle with they're like, I can't think of one

Krikor:

I'm sure Spider-Man has moments where.

Krikor:

Um, goes out like what?

Krikor:

It's not supposed to the webs, just keep going.

Lynnette:

But kindness is a choice.

Lynnette:

It's very easy to just ignore things or like move on with your life

Lynnette:

or pat someone on the head, like,

Krikor:

I guess it has to be genuine.

Krikor:

You have to want to be kind too.

Krikor:

So like faked kindness is the worst, worse than just not being yet.

Krikor:

Just don't be

Lynnette:

I'd rather you ignore me.

Lynnette:

What is your dream travel destination?

Krikor:

Hm.

Krikor:

You know, I used to not be like growing up.

Krikor:

It was always like a hustling bustling sort of like city vibe.

Krikor:

And like, as life has passed on, I feel like the more relaxed and serene

Krikor:

places I do love going somewhere like the Balearics or like the coast in Italy

Krikor:

where it's just beautiful landscape.

Krikor:

You kind of forget the sense of time and you can kind of like,

Krikor:

again, the coast, see, going back to what we talked about earlier, like

Krikor:

it's like, you can see the water.

Lynnette:

Colorado has beautiful mountains.

Krikor:

Yeah.

Krikor:

And so, so I think that sort of like peaceful, serene places,

Krikor:

somewhere that I yearn for more.

Krikor:

I don't know.

Krikor:

There's no specific, I mean, I guess I gave those two examples top of mind,

Krikor:

it's not like, oh my God, I need to go to like the Maldives or Seychelles.

Krikor:

I'm not going to say no.

Krikor:

Yeah, I do want to go.

Krikor:

But yeah, either that or something that actually is a truly cultural

Krikor:

immersion, something where you're like.

Krikor:

I've never experienced this sort of thing.

Krikor:

Like when I went to India while it was a hustle and bustle and a

Krikor:

lot of difficult moments, like it truly felt that there were like,

Lynnette:

what kind of difficult moments?

Krikor:

what kind of difficult moments?

Krikor:

well, I spent a whole night getting very intimate with the toilet one

Krikor:

evening, but, um, uh, no, like the beauty of it and there's a magic to it.

Krikor:

And there's actually like a lot of stuff that's happening that you

Krikor:

just have never seen in your life.

Krikor:

And that sort of stuff I think is also pretty amazing because it just

Krikor:

kind of, again, allows you to like, experience and reflect and yeah.

Krikor:

Move out of your comfort zone.

Lynnette:

I think one of my favorite things about traveling and probably why

Lynnette:

we travel well, is like, I just like to wander around and like see daily life.

Lynnette:

And of course you want to hit the big tourist spots.

Lynnette:

Some of them even those, like don't hold that kind of appeal for me in

Lynnette:

a lot of cases, unless it's like something really special to me.

Lynnette:

but for me, like, like in French they say flâneur or flâneuse,

Lynnette:

like it's just to wander.

Lynnette:

Like, it's this very French term, you know, Paris is the best city in my

Lynnette:

opinion, to just wander around in, but just see like what you discover

Lynnette:

and like what restaurant you stumble upon and what bakery, like, I dunno.

Lynnette:

I think it's just, there's something so magical about that.

Lynnette:

And I think, because let's just put, say, because I'm not

Lynnette:

a super spontaneous person.

Lynnette:

but that doesn't make sense.

Lynnette:

Like I think traveling is maybe where I am more spontaneous, but I

Lynnette:

also don't it's not about the big.

Lynnette:

things I just want to like live there for a bit.

Lynnette:

I just want to be home away from home.

Krikor:

Yeah.

Krikor:

Well, that's it.

Krikor:

That's what makes it good.

Krikor:

Sometimes.

Krikor:

Like I actually find the second or third visit to a specific place.

Krikor:

Almost more interesting and exciting is because it feels like you've gotten

Krikor:

all those things out of the way that maybe feel a little bit more touristy

Krikor:

or like that you want to let you put your mind to going and seeing.

Krikor:

And then it's like,

Lynnette:

And you know, like how to take the train or like how to get places.

Krikor:

And you allowed yourself to like wander and just explore because there's

Krikor:

no pressure of like, like I've done it.

Krikor:

So now I was just going to hang out.

Krikor:

It's cool.

Krikor:

Yeah.

Lynnette:

I appreciate that.

Lynnette:

How do you a bring ritual into your daily life.

Krikor:

Sorry, I thought you said rich wool.

Krikor:

I was like, what is rich wool?

Lynnette:

Like, a sheep with money?

Krikor:

No, I thought maybe it was some sort of luxurious wool.

Krikor:

I was like, do I have any of that wool in my,

Lynnette:

you're like, yes, let me tell you,

Krikor:

um, yeah, you know what?

Krikor:

I actually struggled with ritual and that's part of something that I think

Krikor:

I need to like, because I think there's a difference between habit and ritual.

Krikor:

And like, sometimes I think we do things out of habit because it's not

Krikor:

like an intentional sort of thing.

Krikor:

And for me, at least, when we say ritual, it's something that has intended

Krikor:

meaning that kind of serves a purpose.

Krikor:

And so, I don't actually, if that's like an answer I don't, but it's

Krikor:

something that I try to bring in.

Krikor:

and, am working on,

Lynnette:

you said a couple of things that resonated from previous episodes,

Lynnette:

one was that habits can be rituals, and then you mentioned intention.

Lynnette:

a lot of times when we think of ritual, we think of like pulling a daily tarot

Lynnette:

card, like meditating or lighting incense, or like all of these things

Lynnette:

that like, we think of looking into a crystal ball, like all of this stuff

Lynnette:

that you think of as like, I dunno Instagrammy or like witchy, I dunno.

Lynnette:

There's, there's a connotation to the word ritual, but.

Lynnette:

I think we have to number one, give ourselves grace, because we're always

Lynnette:

all trying to like have a morning routine and like make green juice and do a ritual

Lynnette:

and, like, go to work, and, like, have a life, we have to like chill out.

Lynnette:

Like it's okay.

Lynnette:

Like you don't have to like, make a big deal out of it.

Lynnette:

But even if every day when you brush your teeth, you have an

Lynnette:

affirmation that you say, or you high-five yourself in the mirror.

Lynnette:

Like that's a new thing, right?

Lynnette:

Like there's little things that we can actually do that, that

Lynnette:

can be sacred rituals to us that already fit into our daily life.

Krikor:

Yeah.

Krikor:

No, I think like the something that you think of as a ritual can become a habit.

Krikor:

Definitely.

Krikor:

But I think the other way around, maybe it was rising, but actually, maybe

Krikor:

this is a super non-answer, but I do find that like I do, I have placed

Krikor:

an intention To try and avoid certain things that maybe feel like I should be

Krikor:

doing every, or like the green juice.

Krikor:

I'd love a green juice, but like, if I'm in like force myself to do something like

Krikor:

that every day, sometimes it feels forced.

Krikor:

And so there's this kind of ritual of like, live your life in a

Krikor:

way that's like a bit flexible.

Lynnette:

Very Gemini of you.

Lynnette:

Be flexible!

Krikor:

Yeah.

Krikor:

Like not every day, not every day needs to be kind of the same.

Krikor:

Like,

Krikor:

yeah, but that's yeah.

Krikor:

That's the, I think that there is some ritual in that, because I feel like almost

Krikor:

marking things as things that have to happen each day, you stay almost feels

Krikor:

like, so, what's the word I'm looking for?

Krikor:

Maybe it's.

Krikor:

like in like an easy out, like, you know, you're just like,

Krikor:

okay, this is my way of living.

Krikor:

And actually it's like, why don't we live each day differently?

Lynnette:

I like that.

Lynnette:

Talk about out of my comfort zone.

Lynnette:

I'm going to have to think about that one.

Lynnette:

Okay, Krikor, last question.

Lynnette:

Where do you shine brightest in your life?

Krikor:

So I think there's like something about food and cooking,

Krikor:

because there's so many components to it.

Krikor:

I feel myself, like when I'm cooking and preparing food, whether

Krikor:

it's just for myself or others, there's this, transcendence.

Krikor:

it's like, actually I forget about a lot of other things.

Krikor:

It's kind of like meditative, it's creative, but it also is a

Krikor:

way to show love to other people.

Krikor:

Right.

Krikor:

And it's abundance and showing care.

Krikor:

And it also is like, particularly once I moved to the UK.

Krikor:

It became like a form of communicating with my mother because making the sorts

Krikor:

of foods that she would typically make.

Krikor:

And I would miss connecting with my culture because again, I've learned

Krikor:

how to make a lot of the stuff that is traditional Armenian food.

Krikor:

So that is a place where I feel like as I'm thinking and working through

Krikor:

and cooking and eating, it's a place where it really feels at home.

Lynnette:

that also sounds like ritual to me.

Krikor:

that also sounds like ritual, there is some ritual around that I think

Lynnette:

a hundred percent and tying it to not only your mom, but your roots

Lynnette:

and your culture and the nourishment, like it's, like you said, it's not

Lynnette:

just like nourishing to our bodies.

Lynnette:

It's nourishing to our souls.

Krikor:

So yeah, unfortunately it does.

Krikor:

Unfortunately, I probably associate food with everything except for

Krikor:

probably, I mean, of course I know logically the functional part of it

Krikor:

is like sustenance and we need to

Lynnette:

lame.

Krikor:

and we need it to survive, but I'm like actually the way I think

Krikor:

about it is everything, but that, which

Lynnette:

but we're fortunate that the sustenance piece isn't a factor.

Lynnette:

No,

Krikor:

no, no, of course.

Krikor:

But.

Krikor:

But it's not like a very.

Krikor:

It's not for me.

Krikor:

Like for some people it is very like a functional thing and it's just

Krikor:

like, okay, I need this to like, survive or make it through the day.

Krikor:

But for me, it's

Lynnette:

like the people drinking Soylent.

Lynnette:

Is that still a thing?

Krikor:

What is Soylent?

Lynnette:

It's like, it's probably making me sound so old, like

Lynnette:

in Silicon valley and they were just drinking these like packets.

Krikor:

Oh, well, that's the thing.

Krikor:

I think there are people here who do it with like these like packets of

Krikor:

it's called huel, do you know huel?

Lynnette:

No.

Krikor:

It's like Fuel, but with an H I don't know why,

Krikor:

but yeah, it's like boring.

Lynnette:

Like what a waste.

Krikor:

What a waste..

Lynnette:

Don't your taste buds want something better than that?

Krikor:

Yeah.

Krikor:

Texture flavor.

Lynnette:

The fact that you appreciate cooking so much and you enjoy it

Lynnette:

and it's a meditation for you.

Lynnette:

I like that sometimes, but it's a lot of work.

Krikor:

Yeah.

Krikor:

It's not every day.

Krikor:

sometimes it's more often than others, but yeah.

Krikor:

You're just it's you have to recognize.

Lynnette:

But I would love to purchase something that somebody did all that.

Krikor:

yeah, of course you can still, like,

Lynnette:

but I would never drink one of those packets,

Krikor:

you would never drink.

Krikor:

Yeah.

Krikor:

Even the food that you buy from somebody else.

Krikor:

They're, they're like one hopes that there is some, some sort of

Krikor:

passion that has gone into it.

Krikor:

Whatever it is driving that.

Krikor:

And at the end of the day, it could still provide like a way for

Krikor:

you to connect with other people.

Krikor:

It's like a form of coming together and so.

Lynnette:

Like, 'oh, you drink huel too?'.

Krikor:

Yeah, I guess there's.

Lynnette:

Let's go code!

Krikor:

Yeah, let's go code!

Lynnette:

I'm sorry, if you drink Huel, you're probably really nice too,

Krikor:

yeah.

Krikor:

I know some people who, yeah,

Lynnette:

they're probably very efficient

Krikor:

very efficient.

Krikor:

Yeah.

Lynnette:

Again, like if we looked at these people's charts, I'm sure there

Lynnette:

would be something in there that speaks to, like, I just want to get my food

Lynnette:

in my body and I want to go do all the things I'm here to be on this Earth to do.

Krikor:

Yeah,

Lynnette:

Like it's not a judgment in any way, shape or form.

Krikor:

No, everybody has their own

Lynnette:

and if it's in your chart to drink huell then it's in your chart.

Krikor:

It's going to be there somewhere.

Krikor:

It's going to say Huel.

Lynnette:

Sponsored by..

Lynnette:

All right, Krikor.

Lynnette:

Well, thank you for joining me.

Krikor:

You're welcome.

Krikor:

Thank you for, thank you for having me participate as well.

Lynnette:

I loved this being my first in-person interview.

Lynnette:

We'll see how the sound quality is, but it doesn't matter because this

Lynnette:

conversation was so special and I'm just thrilled to be in the same room as you so

Krikor:

excited to see it come out as well.

Lynnette:

Excited to see it pop up on your podcast player .All right.

Lynnette:

Well let's, go out to London town.

Krikor:

Yes, it's nice.

Krikor:

Sunny day.

Lynnette:

It is a nice sunny day!

Lynnette:

We're gonna have so much fun!

Lynnette:

Bye everybody.

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